Subject: "We all have to be concerned about terrorism, but you will never end terrorism by terrorizing others."--Martin Luther King III
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| Posted On: 12/4/2004 1:04 AM
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"We all have to be concerned about terrorism, but you will never end terrorism by terrorizing others."--Martin Luther King III
exactly! so why you continue this anti republican propaganda like a mad man?it's so easy to bring you tons of pages that will support my way of thinking, here are some, you are not the only one that can copy past Glen...
Mt 26:52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
"The Pre-Existence of the Soul
As previously mentioned, pre-existence is the doctrine that a person's soul (and spirit) existed before they were conceived. This also means that all the Bible verses referring to reincarnation also refer to pre-existence. The pre-existence of the soul naturally assumes that reincarnation is a reality. Both reincarnation and pre-existence were concepts that were common knowledge in Jesus' day. And although the Jewish doctrine of reincarnation and the Persian doctrine of resurrection was common knowledge in those days, Jesus taught a more exalted form of resurrection - a spiritual rebirth (awakening) within the body by the Spirit of God. This teaching of Jesus was one of his higher teachings which he passed on only to his closest disciples. But it was frequently misunderstood by the public - especially in later centuries when the Church of Rome yielded more political power. This new form of "resurrection" is a mystical union and at-one-ment of the human body and spirit with the divine Spirit of God. In fact, this mystical teaching of uniting the human with the divine is a very ancient teaching that has been around for thousands of years before Jesus but has existed primarily in the East. Jesus referred to this mystical process as becoming "born again of the Spirit." It is the liberation of the spirit from the cycle of birth and death. And it means eternal citizenship in heaven never to experience death again. To be "born again of water" is a reference to reincarnation (the resurrection of the spirit into a new body).
The pre-existence of the soul was a secret teaching held by early Christians until it was condemned by the Roman Church in 553 A.D., perhaps because it implied reincarnation spirit. The following Bible verses describes the pre-existence of souls.
He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish in his sight and love. (Eph. 1:4)
The above Bible verse states how God knew his chosen people before the world was created. This implies that these chosen people existed before before the world began. Someone may object to this interpretation by stating that these chosen people existed only as a thought in the Mind of God. But even if these chosen people existed only as a thought in the Mind of God it does not negate pre-existence. After all, there may be no difference between being a thought in the Mind of God and pre-existing as a soul. They are probably the same thing.
For those skeptics who doubt this interpretation refers to reincarnation, Paul uses this same metaphor to describe how God is like a potter who can prefer one pot of clay over another - even before they were created:
Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" (John 8:58)
The above Bible verse shows Jesus telling his critics that he existed before Abraham was even born. This would be an impossibility unless Jesus pre-existed before he was born. And because Jesus had a human nature along with a divine nature, it does not take a leap of faith to believe that all humans pre-existed. The fact that Jesus taught reincarnation is reason enough to assume that all humans pre-existed.
But if a person assumes that pre-existence and reincarnation are false doctrines then they must explain why there is such an incredible amount of inequities and injustices in life. We can see all over the world how some people are born into rich families with excellent health, provided the best education, live in palatial estates, and many other favorable conditions. On the other hand, some people are born in extreme poverty, with severe handicaps, uneducated, destitute, and many other unfavorable conditions. Without pre-existence and reincarnation this apparent inequity and injustice between people might make a person conclude that God is extremely unjust. Without pre-existence and reincarnation how are we to explain this? This very question was asked of Jesus by his disciples in the Bible passage below:
And as he was passing by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who has sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?"
Jesus answered, "Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents, but the works of God were to be made manifest in him.'" (John 9:1-3)"
this was taken from this page http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen03.html
As I wrote all ready , I don't think that in the stage where humanity is right now, the religious wars we see, will not be solved by any human made weapons.
In my opinion what we need now, more than ever, is the spirit of man kind. We all learned how bad it is to be selfish and blind to the needs of others, yet it's look like we got to learn it again till all of us will know it and feel it our body.
Hitler didn't believe in god, this isn't say that God isn't here, the way I see it, God used him becouse his high soul fale the evil test. From any thing that look bad to us, something good come out. Hitler bring the creation of the state of Israel. God took back 6 millions Jews souls for that. Many millions die at this war for teach us all something. Did we learned? I don't think so. I think that many more millions will die and suffer in the future. All that because people are "blind" by there own EGO. the EGO serve the bad or evil side in each of us.
Glen you have a huge EGO and for that high soul in my opinion, but you are "blind", I'm not surprised that you don't connect, feel, or have any sympathy to religious way of thinking.
For you religious is the source of all the problems , for me it's the EGO that control many of us, maybe one day you will wake up and "see" it, usually it happened when you get older or just before you die and if not in the way I see it , you will know it after you die, but than you will have to come back to this world and live again but more miserable life, just for learn all I'm trying to tell you without any success for now.
I never understood why don't you move to Canada? maybe this will help...
with love from Canada
Diane Tremblay
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