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Livio, Journo... I'll shut up after this!
I respect your opinion Richard, just want to clarify where i stand. The top 100 is based upon the scores people receive in the CC. If these scores are flawed because we all give everyone a top score... what then is the purpose of a top 100 (to prove that you have had more fake scores than someone else)? I think honesty is refreshing. Since this scoring system is flawed because everyone gets a 5,5,10 (just because we dont want to step on any toes), then how indeed does it "validate" their work like you said. Personally I think and know... if someone wants to purchase a work or is interested in your work, why would they care where you rank on an internet top 100 list (especially if the results are not honest). They are interested in your work because of what they see, not what other people have seen. Sure we respect professional artists here. But the spirit of a critique... a critical look at art, is going to be negative at times. I think that if someone is scared of how a critical challenge will effect their standing in a top 100 (that is merely a collection of hot air votes), then why have the confidence to submit it to critical challenge? Livio said those were the marks that my art deserves... and he said do i really think that my art is a 10 when others deserve lower marks than me... Livio... that is exactly why i submit it to the CC. I want to know what peoples honest ratings are, and what they honestly think. I don't want a 5,5,10 and someone to say... looks great, but they are really saying in private I'd give it a 2,2,4 and use it as the tray in my bird cage. If you think it, tell me. Honesty is best, not shooting sunshine up everyones skirt. Top 100 means nothing without honest reviews, otherwise it is just a collection of art that stands on make believe legs.
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michaelaldana
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> 2 years
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Hi Michael, Hi Livio,
Hi there,
How can I follow a debate between two people “passionate” debate and manage to agree with both of them.
In reality I think you are not so far away in terms of opinion,
Michael, I don’t think Livio wants to limit your freedom and blank off your critics, you have to consider that there are many professional artists that use d-Art as a brochure of their work, and we have to respect that.
For instance others use their position in the Top100 to validate their work. A bad numeric score can have many different implications. The intellectual motivation is welcome by everybody. One day you may give your position in the top100 as a reference for your work and because of a bad score your work will be not there any longer for your contact to see.
You adopt a system of evaluation similar to an academic score; but in the CC there are university professors that when evaluate an artwork don’t use an academic score.
I’ll raise another issue here, some artist they give themselves a score 10,5,5 (it is not your case but some do), and I wonder why? It’s just a matter of respect in absolute freedom.
Best to you guys, you are between my favourite artists in this site… Among others… Me included :-) R
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Journo
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> 2 years
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I HATE that... we are not 5 year old little girls named nancy...
If it is agreed that the "number system" is bad... why does it exist. "politically correct is for my toilet paper." I call something what it is, as I expect in return. I don't think that because he got a 1 on originality that he is going to hang from the rafters tomorrow. You said "not applying in art,"... it is art, and is applied here. I think if numbers exist, I'll use them, they are a valid gauge. My work... if someone thinks its a 1,1,1... GIVE IT TO ME! I don't want to by lied to (we call that pissing on someones back and telling them its raining). Handicaped people in America are called "special." Why isn't a crippling disease like West Nile Virus called a "special" Virus. Thats the problem with the world today! If someone doesnt speak english... they must know enough to have gotten as far as to register and display art on this site... they must understand what original means(originale is not much different). Then nothing is miscommunicated... i meant 1 for originale. I hope they have enough mental faculties to decipher that I meant that was not an original work. I gave it a 5 for technique... I'd have given it a 10 if they had it for technique. For these and for others... I invite you to give me low marks as you see fit (i wont block you)... it will help me out as an artist more than if you lied to me or left me with no quantitative numbers as which to judge your words sting by. I don't think I'm being a jerk... I'm being honest.
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michaelaldana
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well Michael
it's too long to give you an exhaustive answer. What's wrong in your evaluations is your "political" behaviour. 1st : it seems as if you confer value to a score of numbers, well that's wrong. Not applying in art. As you can see most of the people here understood it and give always 5 5 10, just to avoid numeric evaluations. 2nd : you can see that most of the crits of your works score 5 5 10 (do you think your works deserve such scores and the ones you evaluate less than that?). 3rd : Right your teachers' considerations. But you can do your considerations (which can be a help for the author you criticised) without numbers - your words can be much more appreciated than your numbers. And finally, not all the people attending CC can speak English, so what they receive is a series of numbers without understanding the reason for that. For these, and for lots of other reasons, I invite you to use the 5 5 10 system for the works you want to criticize positively, and make use of the reply entry (with no rate) for the ones where you have to suggest remarks, or avoid to criticize them at all. Livio
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lovely... Livio
I explained my reasons... I think they are valid... it was put up for critique... i gave it my critique, I'm sorry you disagreed. I think its a lovely looking painting, but still think that its been done a million times... thus a low mark on originality (original - no). I'm going to shed a couple tears now. What is the point of having a work up for a critical challenge, if you are not willing to accept a bad opinion?
I've been through art school and have had several of my works taken down... I've had a teacher tell me she felt sorry for me because one of my paintings was so juvenile she couldn't stand to look at it (first year in school). I've had another profesor tell me that if I wasn't up to challenge myself with art, then perhapse I should go back to being a Communications major (same year). I didn't stop listening to their critiques... i looked for what they were saying about my work, and if i saw validity to it (even just a little) i considered it and challenged myself to do better. Art, though creative, can still be judged good or bad.
One reason I joined this site was because of this critics corner. I thought it would be a useful tool in life as a post graduate. If you think my works are shit... critique them and tell me they are shit and give me a reason as to why... I may agree with you, I may not... its your opinion, and i am openly submitting my work to the masses to be critiqued however they see fit. I OBJECTIVLY look at their words and pose the words against what I thought about my paintings, and then search their art to see if there is any solid ground for them to stand on. I respect almost everyones opinion in here. If someone were to rip my art to pieces, and it was from someone whos work I respect, I'd have to seriously look at my stuff to see if there is something to be observed. Artists are so tempermental... arent they. I'm going to the store for some more toilet paper.
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michaelaldana
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yes Lisa you're right
and that's incredible michaelaldana's score (that's why I blocked him to score my works).
To you, michaelaldana, the rating 5 1 6, is the right ratings your works deserve. Livio
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